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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Apr 12, 2015 15:36:40 GMT
Yeah I agree - only issue now is that the forum is so new that a lot of people have low thread counts. I'm not against sales threads but I want this place to be about more than just buying and selling (and so far it is, thankfully). I think for now we'll just leave it alone and rethink (and dare I say, brainstorm?) as this place grows and evolves I agree Fed; We all sell and buy, so an FS thread is legitimate. If we all make this place a cool hangout, more focussed on "art and banter" than "money and the egos", it will all sort itself out. Folks who are only in it for a quick buck won't bother to come here and flip their prints, as they will have several other forums / sites for that. And if it doesn't work out that way, you can always impose some kind of minimum on posts or years of membership to limit the crap And if that doesn't work out we can set-up a court, and hang a few people, you know just to make an example. That would be loads of fun I was thinking of bringing in Judge Jon Hodgman  I think a forum trial would be hysterical |
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Post by notmattl on Apr 12, 2015 15:55:02 GMT
I agree Fed; We all sell and buy, so an FS thread is legitimate. If we all make this place a cool hangout, more focussed on "art and banter" than "money and the egos", it will all sort itself out. Folks who are only in it for a quick buck won't bother to come here and flip their prints, as they will have several other forums / sites for that. And if it doesn't work out that way, you can always impose some kind of minimum on posts or years of membership to limit the crap And if that doesn't work out we can set-up a court, and hang a few people, you know just to make an example. That would be loads of fun I was thinking of bringing in Judge Jon Hodgman I think a forum trial would be hysterical Just picturing that. Would be brilliant. If we don't find any forum member to put on trial, maybe we could put artists on trial ! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2015 18:42:40 GMT
I think the problem is people are only thinking that the person selling is gaining anything? If I found something on here I wanted for a good price I wouldn't think it was that bad to be honest..
In fact I think I made a lot of people rich on the UAA and not the other way around. I think that was the problem with the UAA everyone was so hung up on people selling they didn't seem to think that the person receiving was also benefiting?
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Post by dazarino on Apr 13, 2015 14:08:41 GMT
It does work both ways you are quite right charlie, I think as our deals are based alot on trust,it's better to buy off active and recognisable members. Great friends have been made from forums over the years,so people are protective of them Would love to see you get stuck in here and get involved |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 14:11:16 GMT
Hi yes I made a lot of good friends on the "dark side" lol Loads who can vouch for me!. Met a lot of Trolls too  |
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Post by sake on Apr 17, 2015 6:50:54 GMT
Dont see the problem with selling artists such as sc, mw and ... , we all have guilty pleasures. I have chinook hearts and angel on the wall as well as an og by SC. Wouldnt be without them. I actually started hanging out on uban cous I was looking for angel and Grenade lovers. I wouldnt be here if not, so to say that we dont want any for sales threads by some artist would keep alot of members away.
Also that would be censorship of art. Who are to decide? Who wants to be china? Anyone?
Je suis charlie.
edit: I also took the time to look at the item for sale. That is one good looking framejob. Picture saved for reference.
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Post by alittle on Apr 17, 2015 7:41:21 GMT
Dont see the problem with selling artists such as sc, mw and ... , we all have guilty pleasures. I have chinook hearts and angel on the wall as well as an og by SC. Wouldnt be without them. I actually started hanging out on uban cous I was looking for angel and Grenade lovers. I wouldnt be here if not, so to say that we dont want any for sales threads by some artist would keep alot of members away. Also that would be censorship of art. Who are to decide? Who wants to be china? Anyone? Je suis charlie. edit: I also took the time to look at the item for sale. That is one good looking framejob. Picture saved for reference. I don't think that was the point at all. The comments in the thread are reinforcing the fact that people who want to sell on this forum should also be participants here (i.e. not just here to sell). It was nothing to do with the specifics of what was for sale. |
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Post by dazarino on Apr 17, 2015 9:54:58 GMT
Yep, you can sell your ass on here if you post over 25 times lol
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Post by cnh on Apr 17, 2015 15:40:17 GMT
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Post by alittle on Apr 17, 2015 15:46:11 GMT
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Post by mikeydread on Apr 17, 2015 15:49:48 GMT
cnh Surely a punishable offence.
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Post by mikeydread on Apr 17, 2015 16:03:16 GMT
Lets give the mods some time alittle eh. |
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Apr 17, 2015 16:08:05 GMT
@charliebrown Please make it clear in this and any future sales threads that you are a gallery. If you'd like to be an active member of this forum, great, but if you are just hear to sell, I think you should find other avenues to do so.
Are you okay with me changing your profile to indicate you are a gallery?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 16:15:04 GMT
Brilliant CNH...there rests the case for the prosecution. I like people selling stuff on the forum and have bought a fair few pieces on UAA. However do think it's excessive now and do like the idea that members sell to members as opposed to the drop in and out scenario. Not an easy one for you mods but I like the thought of a membership time or a number of posts etc. it's pretty easy to get and will not affect genuine members. Also do not mind gallery promotions and sales etc esp if they are part of the forum and do it that way. Good luck either way chaps on what you decide just me thoughts. Well spotted cnh |
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Post by Dr. Plip on Apr 17, 2015 16:16:31 GMT
@charliebrown please, please, PLEASE take what the modfather just said as friendly (but firm) guidance. I know you've had quite a few spats on the UAA, but it doesn't have to be that way on this channel. Just be upfront and friendly about things and I'm sure everything will be fine and dandy. What I'm trying to say is, don't get your back up.
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Apr 17, 2015 16:20:33 GMT
@charliebrown please, please, PLEASE take what the modfather just said as friendly (but firm) guidance. I know you've had quite a few spats on the UAA, but it doesn't have to be that way on this channel. Just be upfront and friendly about things and I'm sure everything will be fine and dandy. What I'm trying to say is, don't get your back up. exactly. I am all for galleries being on here, as long as they are up front about being a gallery, and are a contributing member. Stick around, have some fun, make some friends |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 16:28:39 GMT
Spot on guys
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 16:35:27 GMT
To give her some credit, she did not come out pointing guns at people... This newer persona seemed kinder/gentler... Glad she's not threatening to sue everyone here, including Al Gore (for inventing the interwebs  )... Makes me wonder how many *fake* accounts have been created. Excluding FAKE of course Carry on! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 10:14:09 GMT
Well it all makes interesting reading. First of all I would like to say that on the UAA I did go on as a gallery in the beginning stating quite clearly I was a gallery!.. Not only was I met with hostility and negativity that quickly turned into personal attacks and blatant lies about my business and my business ethics. None of which were warranted or true. I have spent 10 months dealing with this issue to the detriment of my health causing me a great deal of stress and upset.
I have had to deal with hoax calls from PPI companies, people ringing me saying they have seen my advert on line regarding massage, hoax calls from a withheld number every day, my computer being hacked into. Do you think all of this was necessary or just? Had a photo posted of me stolen from my facebook page pasted on my thread with personal insults written on it and other personal details displayed without my permission. All the work of Trolls
I was advised to go on with a different profile so that my business wasn't being ruined by the trolling and lies written on the threads, all my sales thread were ruined by trolls.
I have done nothing wrong whatsoever on the UAA other than defend my self and my business against such people.
I am now on here as I was living in hope it would be better, I have not got involved with any discussions but I do read the posts and what is being said, I prefer to sit back and evaluate the situation before I comment as its been shown it doesn't take much to upset people on an art forum.
I put the Whatson piece on to hopefully engage in some conversation with people who like him, but that was met with negativity.
Do you think after all that went on on the UAA I was going to straight away come on here and say who I was?
Gallery or not makes no difference as no one knows who they are talking to on any forum, that's the point of a faceless forum? Personally I think it breeds all the problems i.e. trolling and abuse and I really feel that people should have a photo of themselves on their profile, that way I think it would be a reminder that there is a human being at the end of the message that's being sent.
As for me being a nicer person on this forum anyone that actually knows me and that is a lot of people from Gallery owners to Dealers, will tell you I am a genuine and nice person. However like anyone when being attacked I am not going to be nice, I have never deliberately ruined anyone's thread or set out to upset or annoy anyone I wanted to get on with people but when you have a certain group of people who are intent on ruining things its very hard to maintain your emotions and temper.
If I didn't want any one to know who I was I wouldn't have put the same photo on Instagram, I did that to see how long it would take for the usual negativity to begin. I have no problem with you having me on as a Gallery I never had a problem on the UAA it was every one else that had the problem.
I am more than happy to delete my profile it me being here causes such distress to others.
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Post by zippy on Apr 18, 2015 10:30:40 GMT
Hi charliebrown,
Firstly, please do not delete your account on here. It is important to have a good mix and everyone should feel welcome and able to post their thoughts.
Reading what has happened to you is awful and sickening. People really took it as far as ringing you / hacking your accounts etc?
I am so sorry to hear this.
This forum is about people learning about Art, Artists, making friends and enjoying all aspects of building a collection. We all buy and sell on the journey.
Stay, declare your gallery status and keep posting!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 10:33:50 GMT
Everything you said is what I was expecting but sadly that was not the case.. I will see how this pans out and decide what to do. I seriously don't need any more stress that's for sure. Thank you for your kind words though. At the end of the day I am trying to make a living nothing more. |
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Post by zippy on Apr 18, 2015 10:37:16 GMT
It does not matter whether a new collector, gallery, bedroom flipper or moderator. No one deserves the stress and hatred you have experienced on forums. I am genuinely sorry to hear that as had no idea.
You do not need the stress and anxiety. In fact this should be a place to get away from the real life stresses to relax and chat with friends and fellow collectors.
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Post by mikeydread on Apr 18, 2015 10:44:22 GMT
Do you think after all that went on on the UAA I was going to straight away come on here and say who I was?
Simple answer= Yes.
Nothing wrong with being honest.
Declare that you are a gallery & post/sell away.
Provided that you have 25 posts that is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 10:55:07 GMT
I will be de stressing next month that's for sure!. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 10:57:31 GMT
Do you think after all that went on on the UAA I was going to straight away come on here and say who I was? Simple answer= Yes. Nothing wrong with being honest. Declare that you are a gallery & post/sell away. Provided that you have 25 posts that is. I think you need to re read all I said. This is the kind of thing that is stressful comments like yours that are negative and not in any way understanding of another human beings situation.
I will not be lured into any further friction I have said what has been going on if people cant accept or understand what I have said then I cant really help how you feel. and have nothing further to say about it
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I think a forum trial would be hysterical 
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