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Post by iamzero on May 8, 2015 6:15:40 GMT
I'm getting to the point where I've had enough of chasing my tail collecting art. Bored of UK galleries thinking that no one outside of the M25 exists or has a job and can simply just drop everything to stand in queues... And bored of overseas online releases just get taken out of my cart on checkout.
Saved me me a small fortune I admit but artists might as well just bury stuff in a Masquerade style hunt and be done with it. No one appears concerned about getting their art to real collectors anymore.
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Post by Dr. Plip on May 8, 2015 6:56:15 GMT
It's weird innit. There are people that want to purchase prints by an artist. But both the artist and print producer deliberately keep the production far smaller than the actual demand.
I'm glad supermarkets don't do the same with crisps.
"Oh! You just missed out on the Salt & Vinegar drop. Unlucky. Don't lose heart though. Walker's have a new flavour out in July, maybe you'll get lucky with that one"
"But I'm a big Walker's fan and would really like to just eat their crisps. I don't understand why you're making it so difficult for me to buy some. I have money"
"Run along. But don't forget to sign up to our newsletter"
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Post by amboguy on May 8, 2015 7:09:47 GMT
I'm getting to the point where I've had enough of chasing my tail collecting art. Bored of UK galleries thinking that no one outside of the M25 exists or has a job and can simply just drop everything to stand in queues... And bored of overseas online releases just get taken out of my cart on checkout. Saved me me a small fortune I admit but artists might as well just bury stuff in a Masquerade style hunt and be done with it. No one appears concerned about getting their art to real collectors anymore. I feel like that more and more these days. Look at the farce of yesterdays DalEast drop and it shows what contempt the public are sometimes held in. I still keep my eyes open for what's coming up but feel a bit jaded by the whole scene. |
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Post by ZeBigBoss on May 8, 2015 8:04:17 GMT
Dr. Plip - It's "Print Them All" and not "Print The Mall"  Although they should consider changing name to "Print The Little I Have" I heard they have similar practices in a good country called Venezuela... and it is the best way to create a black market.
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Post by denada on May 8, 2015 8:18:03 GMT
Ignore the hype train and try to find some new talent.
There are a lot of talented artists selling their work for a tuppence, who would gratefully receive your support.
No queuing, no jumping through hoops, no ignored emails and you'll save money.
You may not be able to flip it on ebay immediately, but you may actually discover the 'next big thing'.
It's a lot more satisfying, and if the artist amounts to nothing - you still have a painting you enjoy on the wall.
It's sad to see some of the dross that sells out immediately these days. I just don't understand the 'buy everything' mentality, a lot of the work is awful.
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Post by denada on May 8, 2015 8:23:32 GMT
It's weird innit. There are people that want to purchase prints by an artist. But both the artist and print producer deliberately keep the production far smaller than the actual demand. Everybody wants what they can't have. People like to feel like they own something 'special'. It protects the artists market and thus increases demand for the next release. I remember David Choe saying (I think in his 'Dirty Hands' documentary) that nobody wanted his paintings until he purposely put up the prices and they became financially out of reach for most ordinary people. It's just human nature. Artists are brands, and everybody aspires to own a Ferrari and not a Kia (nothing wrong with Kias!). |
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Post by dungle on May 8, 2015 9:22:02 GMT
Ignore the hype train and try to find some new talent. There are a lot of talented artists selling their work for a tuppence, who would gratefully receive your support. No queuing, no jumping through hoops, no ignored emails and you'll save money. You may not be able to flip it on ebay immediately, but you may actually discover the 'next big thing'. It's a lot more satisfying, and if the artist amounts to nothing - you still have a painting you enjoy on the wall. It's sad to see some of the dross that sells out immediately these days. I just don't understand the 'buy everything' mentality, a lot of the work is awful. This is a great post. i would also add that instead of buying 10 prints on the secondary market (or from source) of established artists, create a fund to buy originals. I am confident that the one original will give you more satisfaction than the prints particularly if you have commissioned it to your taste |
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Post by IggyWiggy on May 8, 2015 9:24:01 GMT
... artists might as well just bury stuff in a Masquerade style hunt and be done with it. No one appears concerned about getting their art to real collectors anymore. I'm up for that. Just give out a mysterious clue, 'it's buried under a big 'W' ', and let everyone go nuts  |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 9:39:38 GMT
I'm getting to the point where I've had enough of chasing my tail collecting art. Bored of UK galleries thinking that no one outside of the M25 exists or has a job and can simply just drop everything to stand in queues... And bored of overseas online releases just get taken out of my cart on checkout. Saved me me a small fortune I admit but artists might as well just bury stuff in a Masquerade style hunt and be done with it. No one appears concerned about getting their art to real collectors anymore. I feel the same.....  Such a shame because it used to be real fun hunting down a piece you really wanted... Or looking forward to a 'drop'. Now it seems a lot of frustration and egotism is involved with print releases and selling art. Not to mention the amounts people pay for certain pieces. Crazy and silly...... |
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on May 8, 2015 9:51:16 GMT
nothing wrong with admiring without collecting  besides, there's only so much room on your walls |
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Post by dani3orange on May 8, 2015 12:37:33 GMT
It's weird innit. There are people that want to purchase prints by an artist. But both the artist and print producer deliberately keep the production far smaller than the actual demand. I'm glad supermarkets don't do the same with crisps. "Oh! You just missed out on the Salt & Vinegar drop. Unlucky. Don't lose heart though. Walker's have a new flavour out in July, maybe you'll get lucky with that one" "But I'm a big Walker's fan and would really like to just eat their crisps. I don't understand why you're making it so difficult for me to buy some. I have money" "Run along. But don't forget to sign up to our newsletter" Brilliant! |
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Post by carlcashman on May 8, 2015 12:45:56 GMT
It's weird innit. There are people that want to purchase prints by an artist. But both the artist and print producer deliberately keep the production far smaller than the actual demand. Everybody wants what they can't have. People like to feel like they own something 'special'. It protects the artists market and thus increases demand for the next release. I remember David Choe saying (I think in his 'Dirty Hands' documentary) that nobody wanted his paintings until he purposely put up the prices and they became financially out of reach for most ordinary people. It's just human nature. Artists are brands, and everybody aspires to own a Ferrari and not a Kia (nothing wrong with Kias!). Yep, true story. Won his first million in the casinos and put his prise up 10xfold. All of a sudden everyone wanted his work, especially rich folk that felt they were buying something exclusive. He talks about it on one of the Joe rogan podcasts |
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Post by Dr. Plip on May 8, 2015 14:28:11 GMT
Everybody wants what they can't have. People like to feel like they own something 'special'. It protects the artists market and thus increases demand for the next release. I remember David Choe saying (I think in his 'Dirty Hands' documentary) that nobody wanted his paintings until he purposely put up the prices and they became financially out of reach for most ordinary people. It's just human nature. Artists are brands, and everybody aspires to own a Ferrari and not a Kia (nothing wrong with Kias!). Yep, true story. Won his first million in the casinos and put his prise up 10xfold. All of a sudden everyone wanted his work, especially rich folk that felt they were buying something exclusive. He talks about it on one of the Joe rogan podcasts That perceived value thing. |
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Post by alittle on May 8, 2015 14:34:36 GMT
It's easy to get pretty jaded with the scene if you are chasing prints. Stick to building relationships with galleries and artists, and the feeling is much different. When you do that, it's no longer a race.
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Post by nighthawk on May 8, 2015 14:56:25 GMT
Well, if you chase every "hot release" from already established artists, you're bound to feel frustrated these days.
Echoing what others have already said, it's much more fun picking up pieces that you like from unknown artists and galleries. While you don't get the same adrenaline release like you do going for a very limited print release, you tend to buy things that will actually get framed and up on your walls.
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Post by carlcashman on May 8, 2015 17:47:53 GMT
Yep, true story. Won his first million in the casinos and put his prise up 10xfold. All of a sudden everyone wanted his work, especially rich folk that felt they were buying something exclusive. He talks about it on one of the Joe rogan podcasts That perceived value thing. Yep |
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Post by geswrk on May 8, 2015 20:05:26 GMT
But where do people discover lesser known artists, they're not easy to find. Galleries need to be prepared to take a chance and reach out a little more, but it takes confidence in their own artistic appreciation to do that, most just follow the herd.
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Post by jeezuzjonessnr on May 8, 2015 20:08:57 GMT
Yep, true story. Won his first million in the casinos and put his prise up 10xfold. All of a sudden everyone wanted his work, especially rich folk that felt they were buying something exclusive. He talks about it on one of the Joe rogan podcasts That perceived value thing. Didn't choe make $200m from facebook shares? |
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Post by adman on May 8, 2015 20:12:53 GMT
That perceived value thing. Didn't choe make $200m from facebook shares? Heard that too – shedload of cash! |
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Post by geswrk on May 8, 2015 20:12:56 GMT
yep, I think he had a commission to paint the atrium of the facef**k headquarters and was given the option to be paid in shares, which turned out to be the right choice to make.
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Post by jeezuzjonessnr on May 8, 2015 20:13:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 23:06:29 GMT
But where do people discover lesser known artists, they're not easy to find. Galleries need to be prepared to take a chance and reach out a little more, but it takes confidence in their own artistic appreciation to do that, most just follow the herd. Instagram has become my go to place to find up and coming artists. |
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Post by nimzy on May 9, 2015 0:02:25 GMT
Choe is on an episode Anthony Bourdain did and after he paints a picture if Bourdain he takes him to a Sizzler in Koreatown. Seems like a cool dude. |
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Post by 886geary on May 9, 2015 2:07:30 GMT
I can see the frustration for collectors in the print market or have a budget for mostly printwork, originals are a bit more expensive but can be rewarding.
I know everyone hates what Print them all did, but I think thy stuck to exactly what they have been doing and I commend them for not changing their routine even with a bigger name. They have lost tons of money on artists they believe in printing work for artists that didnt sell out with stock sitting there, but from what I can tell they seem ok with that. Then one artist comes along and they are shunned. Would people rather have had a larger edition that might have watered down the release. I am sure they could do that but their quality seems of most importance and working with the artist in the print studio to create the most original print possible. I love their philosophy but I dont think you can always please anyone, and I think those with a great relationship with them might have gotten presales, but I think that natural for all galleries and printers. They reward those loyal to them, how bought even the lesser known releases. But Who knows.
I say like others just stay consistent broaden your eye to new emerging artists and build relationships with Galleries, and Printhouses way ahead of releases. I appreciate collectors that are always asking questions, and involved in the process.
Good Luck
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Post by supercockle on May 9, 2015 6:14:43 GMT
But where do people discover lesser known artists, they're not easy to find. Galleries need to be prepared to take a chance and reach out a little more, but it takes confidence in their own artistic appreciation to do that, most just follow the herd. Instagram has become my go to place to find up and coming artists. Me too and I find it quite exciting from time to time to see what my feed suggests for me and to take it from there. You'll soon discover there are millions of artists and a lot of them that you have never heard of, produce amazing stuff. It really opened my eyes to new talent. I'd much prefer to get in there before the galleries do. It does make you focus on buying what you like again, rather than what you think you ought to like. It makes it interesting to see the artist develop too. |
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Although they should consider changing name to "Print The Little I Have"
besides, there's only so much room on your walls 
