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Post by elioti on Sept 4, 2015 21:40:48 GMT
I am currently looking through hundreds of different mill's paper swatches and i wanted to bring the topic onto here.
Firstly, as a consumer of prints/works on paper does the paper type/style that the art has been done on affect how you view the print and the amount you are prepared to spend on a piece.
Secondly, for those who do their own work how much do you put in to the paper selection you make, do you do much research ? Do you look around to see what artists like Banksy & Dolk have used for their editions ?
Very interested to hear how much of a factor it pays into a piece you may be buying or creating!
-E
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Post by bejwee77 on Sept 4, 2015 22:06:48 GMT
As a consumer, I'm not terribly interested. I may frame it differently if there are nice deckled edges, but the image is what matters.
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Post by manty on Sept 4, 2015 22:49:24 GMT
Anything will do me, not fussed
But not shiny
Not too thin.
Not so thick it wont flatten, and ripples bad, or even worse get a crease
Not too bright a white
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Post by IggyWiggy on Sept 4, 2015 22:55:34 GMT
Minimum of 300gsm or forget about it.
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Sept 4, 2015 22:55:33 GMT
I've gained a paper fetish.... Stacks and stacks of samples and swatches... So yes, it's very important to me, both as a printer and a collector
the right paper can take a print from good to great.... color, ink absorption, edges - all very important to the finished look...if printing on white, getting the right shade especially makes a big difference in many instances, especially if you're using dark ink
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Post by elioti on Sept 5, 2015 0:38:24 GMT
Great seeing a response on this. @iggywiggy i couldn't agree more i can't stand a flimsy print, 280-360gsm is the golden zone in my mind when talking a standard 50x70 print.
@fred R. Achion you sound like me i have spent the day sifting through numerous swatches and sample packs but knowing the supplier has another paper that i haven't seen i have to hold off on committing until i have seen that. Not sure if you have heard of 'Madrid Litho' in your time but that seems to be a front runner at the moment not a million miles off a Somerset Radiant White Paper.
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Sept 5, 2015 1:26:42 GMT
Great seeing a response on this. @iggywiggy i couldn't agree more i can't stand a flimsy print, 280-360gsm is the golden zone in my mind when talking a standard 50x70 print. @fred R. Achion you sound like me i have spent the day sifting through numerous swatches and sample packs but knowing the supplier has another paper that i haven't seen i have to hold off on committing until i have seen that. Not sure if you have heard of 'Madrid Litho' in your time but that seems to be a front runner at the moment not a million miles off a Somerset Radiant White Paper. I'll check out my samples and let you know if I've got it... I recommend contacting Legion Paper to order some sample sets... they carry an amazing line... Arches, Stonehenge, Somerset etc. all the big ones |
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Post by dashboll on Sept 5, 2015 6:44:37 GMT
Agree got to be nice paper. I'm always disappointed when I get a print and it looks like the paper is from office depot.
Don't know what he uses but eine always had good stock
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Post by elioti on Sept 5, 2015 12:09:49 GMT
As with most i think it depends on the print but i know that Eine does use Coventry Rag quite a bit now that he is over in the U.S. not sure if their are any distributors over here in the U.K but you can get something called Heritage Rag which is made from the same components and on the same machines so it is neigh on identical.
I will check Legion Paper out for sure, i have found that JohnPurcell are amazing for what they carry and expertise in the products.
Another question, what are peoples thoughts on Blind Stamps by the artist, do you prefer the added little touch it puts on the print and that extra bit of safety to prevent replica's ? & What are you thoughts on a print if the paper manufacture's watermark is not cut off ? as they will most of the time have the mills name in a corner of the print but you get a paper bigger then what is needed to then cut this off.
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Post by stender on Sept 5, 2015 15:02:37 GMT
I buy my paper from John Purcell, They will send you a nice pack of samples if you ask nicely. I like a 300gsm and it has to be acid free. Can't go wrong with a bit of somerset velvet/satin or arches 88 but not cheap. Something like a Fabriano 5 is a cheaper alternative or south banks smooth depending on what finish your after. Not a fan of deckled edges personally.
I do like a blind stamp too, as you say adds an extra touch.
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Post by looother on Sept 5, 2015 15:37:39 GMT
I'm not interested in the paper manufacturer's watermark, and it will make a print less desirable if I can see it. Otherwise, good paper can feel and smell pretty sexy, and it can make receiving and opening a print more exciting, but I guess once it's in a frame it only matters that it carries the image well and will last.
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Post by Still Hate Thatcher on Sept 5, 2015 15:48:48 GMT
Whereas I absolutely love watermarks. From childhood, they've always fascinated me and just given that little bit extra...
Edit - don't get me started on carbon paper. Mmmm....!
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Sept 5, 2015 16:27:14 GMT
I love watermarks and blind stamps as long it's not a fuckin url (looking at you Lister)
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Post by elioti on Sept 5, 2015 17:16:44 GMT
I buy my paper from John Purcell, They will send you a nice pack of samples if you ask nicely. I like a 300gsm and it has to be acid free. Can't go wrong with a bit of somerset velvet/satin or arches 88 but not cheap. Something like a Fabriano 5 is a cheaper alternative or south banks smooth depending on what finish your after. Not a fan of deckled edges personally. I do like a blind stamp too, as you say adds an extra touch. If you haven't asked them or seen their new Madrid Litho paper have a look as it's a nice option in my mind and the price point comes in pretty good as well. My opinion on it is that the Paper Mill's Watermark can detract from a print and make the bottom corner's along with a signiture, number of edition & perhaps the artists blind stamp look to busy. I am a fan of the Artist Blind stamp though with what it adds in way of protecting the artwork from being replicated and that extra something it gives the work. -E |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 18:55:24 GMT
minimum of 300gsm and deckled .... sweeeeeeeeet!
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Post by IggyWiggy on Feb 6, 2016 21:14:38 GMT
If it ain't tub sized - forget about it
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Post by IggyWiggy on Feb 6, 2016 21:16:28 GMT
I love watermarks and blind stamps as long it's not a fuckin url (looking at you Lister) Should be sentenced to community service for that |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 23:07:16 GMT
Not a specific spec etcbut quality and feel as well as really suiting the piece is important. Eg just collected a small edition El Seed piece and although did not know paper/card spec. Really loved the feel of the piece when got it.
So think quite important the paper/card suits and works the piece as opposed to its spec
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Post by jeezuzjonessnr on Feb 7, 2016 5:47:02 GMT
Love the decked edges. Looks great when float mounting. Those Miaz brothers prints would have looked a a lot better with decked edges. I like the freeway HPM editions of jonone's work (I want one) it's on a heavy Indian paper.. Seen one on the other forum a while back..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 16:08:26 GMT
Love the decked edges. Looks great when float mounting. Those Miaz brothers prints would have looked a a lot better with decked edges. I like the freeway HPM editions of jonone's work (I want one) it's on a heavy Indian paper.. Seen one on the other forum a while back.. I have a RERO HPM from Freeway Editions that's on the same paper (Khadi paper) and I've never seen anything else like it. It is surprisingly heavy. I can't recall if I saw it on Freeway's website of if I tracked it down myself but there's a video out there of how that paper is made. |
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Post by nonconformist on Feb 7, 2016 18:40:43 GMT
Choosing the correct paper, colour and thickness is very important to me. The paper I used for the last supper was incredibly thin (and a major pain in the arse to work with) but it wouldn't have been possible to achieve the same effect (bleeding and tears) with thicker paper. At the other end of the spectrum, I had to have an Eelus print (330gsm) professionally flattened as I left it in the tube for too long and was unable to flatten it myself despite my best attempts.
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Post by geswrk on Mar 12, 2016 23:51:48 GMT
minimum of 300gsm and deckled .... sweeeeeeeeet! Nice comment Json, and generally I'm with you on this about the weight. I also use deckled edged paper, but have to cut it down, because the paper I used is only truly deckled at an A1 size. This is the case for many expensive papers. You can tear the paper, and people often call it deckled, but in reality it's not, it's just hand torn. You know the difference  Anyway, right now I'm having a sort of crisis, check this out. My paper supplier from long time, has stopped getting Fabriano 5, because the factory in Italy changed its rollers, and my supplier believes it is no longer satisfactory for printing, its become too textured or smthg. The paper goes through these rollers as a final stage in its production and serves to smooth it. I need to see the new Fab for myself, because I might have to switch suppliers. But if the new Fab is no good, then I don't know what I'm going to do, go to the boss in Italy and have some harsh words Tony Montana style. |
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Post by sɐǝpı ɟo uoıʇɐɹǝpǝɟ on Mar 13, 2016 1:37:49 GMT
minimum of 300gsm and deckled .... sweeeeeeeeet! Nice comment Json, and generally I'm with you on this about the weight. I also use deckled edged paper, but have to cut it down, because the paper I used is only truly deckled at an A1 size. This is the case for many expensive papers. You can tear the paper, and people often call it deckled, but in reality it's not, it's just hand torn. You know the difference Anyway, right now I'm having a sort of crisis, check this out. My paper supplier from long time, has stopped getting Fabriano 5, because the factory in Italy changed its rollers, and my supplier believes it is no longer satisfactory for printing, its become too textured or smthg. The paper goes through these rollers as a final stage in its production and serves to smooth it. I need to see the new Fab for myself, because I might have to switch suppliers. But if the new Fab is no good, then I don't know what I'm going to do, go to the boss in Italy and have some harsh words Tony Montana style. give a shout out to marc (at) legionpaper.com. I'm sure he'd love to chat - extremely knowledgable dude and supplier of tons of lines of paper.... US based but has UK distributors he can connect you with |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 6:56:40 GMT
minimum of 300gsm and deckled .... sweeeeeeeeet! Nice comment Json, and generally I'm with you on this about the weight. I also use deckled edged paper, but have to cut it down, because the paper I used is only truly deckled at an A1 size. This is the case for many expensive papers. You can tear the paper, and people often call it deckled, but in reality it's not, it's just hand torn. You know the difference Anyway, right now I'm having a sort of crisis, check this out. My paper supplier from long time, has stopped getting Fabriano 5, because the factory in Italy changed its rollers, and my supplier believes it is no longer satisfactory for printing, its become too textured or smthg. The paper goes through these rollers as a final stage in its production and serves to smooth it. I need to see the new Fab for myself, because I might have to switch suppliers. But if the new Fab is no good, then I don't know what I'm going to do, go to the boss in Italy and have some harsh words Tony Montana style. Listen to fed, he knows his paper |
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Post by dodcoquelicot on Mar 13, 2016 7:07:33 GMT
Yes...
And no
Depends if it s a sprint ...
Or a sketch ..
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